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MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.13 13:29:00 - [1] Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:32:08 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:30:19 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:29:29 Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 13/05/2006 13:12:26 have you remember to apply 25% ship dmg bonus to the rails? because most amarr ships do not have a damage bonus and so lasers HAVE to do more damage, or youd be better off just fitting hybrids. use CODE tags If you count in damage bonus the armageddons ROF bonus effectively increases its DPS by 33.33%. This is alot more then the megathrons bonus so in no way do lasers HAVE to do more damage. Have you ever even tried to use a tachyon geddon? I think you are just talking out of your behind like 99% off the forum whiners. Get a clue dude. 425mm railthron > tachyon geddon anyday. Geddon has extreme grid trouble with tachs. You only have 3 mids where you need 2 sensor booster to even be able to lock at range. A ROF bonus can't compete with a dmg bonus in fleets either since you usually get only one volley on the primary ine anyways.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.13 13:38:00 - [2] Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:39:58 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:39:28 Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:32:08 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:30:19 Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:29:29 Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 13/05/2006 13:12:26 have you remember to apply 25% ship dmg bonus to the rails? because most amarr ships do not have a damage bonus and so lasers HAVE to do more damage, or youd be better off just fitting hybrids. use CODE tags If you count in damage bonus the armageddons ROF bonus effectively increases its DPS by 33.33%. This is alot more then the megathrons bonus so in no way do lasers HAVE to do more damage. Have you ever even tried to use a tachyon geddon? I think you are just talking out of your behind like 99% off the forum whiners. Get a clue dude. 425mm railthron > tachyon geddon anyday. Geddon has extreme grid trouble with tachs. You only have 3 mids where you need 2 sensor booster to even be able to lock at range. A ROF bonus can't compete with a dmg bonus in fleets either since you usually get only one volley on the primary ine anyways. High: 7 tachyon beam laser II's Med: 2 sensor booster II's 1 tracking computer II Low: 2 reactor control II 3 heatsink II 2 tracking enhancer II 1 med rep II Done. Way better burst damage than megathron and way better DPS with a tier 1 ship. I seriously hope to meet you in a fleet fight once. No ECM no ECCM just plan guns. OMFG we would've won. Those fu**ers cheat with their scorps. wahwahwah. Maybe you should consider that the geddon can do nothing but deal dmg. DMG mods don't win fights. Never did. I will say it again therefore: Mega > Geddon in fleet.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.13 13:41:00 - [3] Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:44:43 Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: MOS DEF I seriously hope to meet you in a fleet fight once. No ECM no ECCM just plan guns. OMFG we would've won. Those fu**ers cheat with their scorps. wahwahwah. at 200km your safe from ECM ECCM is a wast! if u get jamed warp out and back in, or just wait there for the cycle to finish That is true. A good reason to fight at 120k. ;) About your warp out or wait comment: No comment You think geddon is so much better fly it. The majority doesn't from what i see on the battlefield so spare us your whine for stupid changes noone wants.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.13 13:49:00 - [4] Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:51:17 Looking at this the domi must be horrible overpowered at close range: A domi can suck my geddon dry and kill me with drones while tanking my dmg till my cap runs out. I have no chance. What do we learn from this? The Domi and Heavy NOS/NEUTs need the NERF and the geddon is totally gimped! OMGWHINE! Edit: If you call double RCU paperthin gunboat efficient then yes. The rest just uses the apoc as everyone else in fleet combat. Compare thr right ships to eachother and you will see that the mega and 425mm rails are perfectly fine. Actually one of the more deadly ships out there atm.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.13 13:59:00 - [5] Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 14:00:06 Originally by: bundy bear Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 13/05/2006 13:51:17 Looking at this the domi must be horrible overpowered at close range: A domi can suck my geddon dry and kill me with drones while tanking my dmg till my cap runs out. I have no chance. What do we learn from this? The Domi and Heavy NOS/NEUTs need the NERF and the geddon is totally gimped! OMGWHINE! Edit: If you call double RCU paperthin gunboat efficient then yes. The rest just uses the apoc as everyone else in fleet combat. Compare thr right ships to eachother and you will see that the mega and 425mm rails are perfectly fine. Actually one of the more deadly ships out there atm. Dude if you want to talk about dominix go somewhere else. This thread is about lasers and rails and nothing else. I am using your argumentation though. Tachyons are used on apocs as 425mm are used on megas. You suddenly brought a geddon into play to proof that tachyons do more dmg. Well dual RCU2 tachyon geddons usually don't fly around for a very damn good reason wich is why you should use the apoc to compare in the first place. If you think teh tach geddon is overpowered then just bring it into fleet combat.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.13 14:07:00 - [6] Originally by: bundy bear Ok for a start why the hell shouldnt I compare amarr's best laser Vs the gallente's one. Why would it not being the equivelent make any difference at all. You can do that but you have to compare them on ships where they usually are used. I have killed many many geddons by now and 7 tachyon Ii's + dual RCU is something you wont see often simply because the whole setup is build around fitting that guns wich usually is not a very good idea. Compare the tachyon apoc to a 425mm railthron and noone would be upset. Keep in mind that fitting tachyons on an apoc is a pain allready.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2006.05.13 14:16:00 - [7] Most geddons in fleets are apocs. ;) From those that use tachyons most use tech 1 and i have seen LOADS of tachyongeddons using just 6 guns. Go figure.

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